Pic by me – Chicago, July 2016

Last month I hit the lowest of lows I’ve yet to experience in business.

But I’ll come back to that.

I should probably take you to what led to this. And I should tell you this story does end on a positive. But fair warning – it goes through a whole lotta lows too.

A Brief Account Of 2010-2017

Anyhow… let’s start back in 2010 for some context and a fast review of how I got here.

First of all – I’m grateful. In a way where I want to you know, that  I am fully aware that I am lucky to have found SEO and have work I enjoy. I’m lucky in SO many ways. And I have perspective for the fact these struggles are nothing compared to what many other endure.

Much of the pain described below, is more about feeling like I let other people down – and that’s far worse than any fleeting moment of self-doubt or sadness (of which there have been plenty).

Remember 2010?

The iPad launched.

Google ‘instant’ came out.

And there I was – a poor piano teacher, just realizing SEO could actually be a career. I didn’t want to teach one more little kid where ‘middle C’ was ever again, anymore, and SEO was my way out.

(You see, teaching piano was an artifact left over from my gigging musician days. My real heart was in performing, and teaching was a nice supplement to that – which I derived enjoyment from coupled with performing. But I wasn’t gigging anymore, I was a 30-something settled down husband looking for a more ‘normal’ routine).

So in comes SEO. Sweeping me off my feet.

I dove in head first and by 2011/2012 I was getting hired for my SEO skills (which, by the way, I had spent 3-4 years developing on my own businesses, my Dad’s businesses, and a few other close friends).

So what’s so bad about this?


Pic by me – Boston, MA

Let me illustrate how this path goes off the rails, with the story of one of my first big clients.

It was early 2012. They found me being helpful in the Moz forums.  And I was hired to do a pretty in-depth audit/strategy. I scoped it at two months for $8,750.

(Reminder, I was still teaching piano lessons 20 hours a week at that time, but this left plenty of time to get the job done.)

Which would have worked fine, but guess what happened next?

The project kicked off. They gave me Analytics access. They paid me.

And then …

A week went by. I hadn’t started it yet.

Two weeks.

Three, maybe four.

I was like “ehh, I’ve got four more weeks to finish this thing. I’ve got time.”

It was like I was right back in 6th grade putting off a paper. Except I was (supposed to be) and adult now. 32 years old. “Grow up, Dan!” I was screaming in my head.

Anyway, 8 weeks later I did deliver everything as promised – on the last freakin’ day of the 8th week.

I just searched my email, it’s all there, I actually just impressed myself looking at it in hindsight.

Look at all these docs!

There were 20 of them! In hindsight, I undercharged.

But at the time it was painful. Preparing all those document and reports, and sitting there typing and meticulously taking screenshots and pasting them in… yuck! And feeling like, well if I had spent the eight weeks working on it, it could have been better.

7 years later, I can say with certainty, that’s the style doing of SEO I have still don’t wear very well. The big deliverables. A long, looming deadline months later. All that … typing.

Most of my professional life I performed music or taught piano lessons. The “deliverable” was much different. It’s personal! In person. Being in front of a group of people. Using body language, your voice, encouragement – to transfer information and inspiration.

As much as I was tired of teaching little kids piano after 12 years, that style of work was much more suited to my strengths.

In hindsight, that eCommerce project actually went fairly well. (They even contacted me years later for some additional consulting.)

“Dan, Where are you?”

But there were plenty others that didn’t go as smoothly.

Not everyone is as lenient with a procrastinator – here’s an example:

To be fair – he’s right.

But without a clear follow-up date, I kept pushing things out thinking “well, it’s ‘due’ at the end of the month”. I had been working on it, but not communicating it and not giving the client a sense of progress.

And you know what? It felt crappy. I hated it. It’s the WORST feeling.

These situations kept playing out with the same script.

Secure the client. Receive payment. Lose the sense of urgency. Procrastinate. Feel bad. Eat Ben & Jerry’s. As the weeks go by the worse it would be because then I felt like the more amazing my first deliverable needed to be … and on and on.

Granted – I would typically always pull through in the 11th hour, and deliver something – good something’s – it’s really not been an enjoyable way to conduct business.

I knew this was a “flaw” of mine early on, and wanted to fix it, but just couldn’t seem to pull it together.

A Pattern Of SEO Wins

Except … as if I was living two lives, I kept having this SEO wins.

Really, really nice ones, like this:

The beginning of the growth is cut off, but that’s organic traffic to ONE piece of content I ideated and created. No link building was done, and this is only a sample range. As I recall, this piece of content accumulated well over 100,000 lifetime visits.

Or like this:

This is organic traffic growth to the blog of a website. I think it ended up being 20x growth in 8 months.

And like this:

Growth of organic traffic only a 50-page section of a site I strategized, developed the URL architecture and guided the content process. (Note: the dip mid-2016 was the phantom update since we have recovered *nicely* from. I’m going to write a full article soon on this site’s success).

That … feels good. Like I’m actually …. delivering … *gasp*…  value.

There are more examples like that, despite the negatives I’ve also called out on myself.

That was the last 7 years in a nutshell. Feeling lost, while sometimes having wins and good moments – but not knowing how to steer the ship more towards success, and away from unfulfillment, procrastination, and big-ass deliverables I’m not very jazzed about.

Pic by me – NYC, March 2017

In short – I’ve just been letting life happen.

The car’s moving, but I’m not driving.

Even if I was driving, it’s not like I knew the destination. (It would be like one of those times you plan on going to get groceries and end up at a random Starbucks 30 minutes away – not because you wanted to – but because instead, you pondered going to the bakery for a donut, but then half way you’re like “I have to be healthy” – but you’re like “well I’m all the way out here now,  there’s a Starbucks, I’ll get a doppio. OK fine, my life is a doppio espresso.”)

Lost Identity

And feeling like … as much as I love SEO … like I just don’t fit in. Like others around me were growing companies, moving up the job ladder, posting screenshots of amazing work they were doing (growth, results, APIs, fancy dashboards, prominent speaking gigs).

And despite marginal ‘success’, I’ve never really felt like I found my place in it all.

Value Debt = Financial Debt

I want to illustrate (literally) how emotional debt (and misalignment with who you are) can lead to actual debt.

Then we’ll get to the “low moment” – and end on a positive.

Looks good, right?

You can see – things started ramping up quickly once I decided to do SEO full time in late 2010. By 2013, I had completely stopped teaching piano lessons.

Well, not so fast.

As with any business, expenses generally rise with income. This chart showing just expenses illustrates a decent rise, but something goes awry in 2016/2017…

Yep – 2015/2016/2017 – NET income has basically plateaued. Which … is fine … in most cases. Except, my wife and I have been fighting to catch up from being behind on taxes since we were first married. PLUS, the cash flow of money in/money out was wrecking us.

So as you can see, with this super fancy chart – our debt has been steadily increasing since 2011. It’s a bad place to be.

It does not give you the leverage to make soundlong-term business decisions. Every step was a move to try to maneuver towards cash positive as quickly as possible.

This undoubtedly added to my anxiety of doing the SEO work… which…

Of course – it caused the consumption of plenty of Ben & Jerry’s (and some pastries, candy and coffee… now I’m exclusively on Yerba Mate… anyway, it doesn’t matter…)

I’m being a little hyperbolic about 2016/2017. I have really gotten my health in a much better place these past few years. Doing a ton of exercise, and generally eating much better.

Here’s the final blow though:

Despite putting in more hours than ever – did it positively impact our revenue?


Negative impact probably.

Because the more I was throwing hours at the issue, trying to fix it, it just kept getting worse.

I was liking the work actually – for the most part (except the days I would procrastinate and feel bad). I LOVE work in general, let’s get that straight. I’m not the type to couch surf or go to the bar (“to the bahhhh” as we say here in Mass.).

But it’s a problem and unsustainable when you’re adding hours and losing income – and you’re racing really fast to the bottom. Where does it stop? I was already doing 12-14 hour days sometimes. Taking early calls from Australia and late calls from the West Coast.

The worst part? I looked back and realized – I lost evenings and even some weekends with my wife. We used to spend that time together. Now it was lost.

The “Lowest Low”

Right, back to where this whole story started. Things get a little darker, but they do improve. Promise.

You may know, we’d hired some extra help here at Evolving SEO throughout 2014-2017. First, a contractor who runs Facebook Ads for some clients. And in 2015 we brought in our first full-time employee.

These things are supposed to help grow your business and move the revenue needle in the right direction. Even if there’s an initial hit of 3-6 months, they should turn around to the positive.

Right? That’s what I’ve heard.

Well – obviously they didn’t.

So, a month ago, we made the hard decision to scale back down to an “employeeless” company, and let our only employee go ? (And I’m in the process of shifting around the Facebook contractor and how we deliver that to clients).

Pic by me – Boston, January 2016

This was THE lowest of all possible lows. I felt like I let our employee down, my wife down, and myself.

I should pause here too with a HUGE, honest, 100% sincere disclaimer: our business shortcomings in the last few years are entire my fault and responsibility. That’s the entire point of this article. Our contractor and employee are hard working, reliable, talented workers – and friends.

AGAIN: perspective is funny too. I know there’s companies that have to let dozens or hundreds of people go. (This is nothing – a tiny little three person company – it shows how your world is your world, no matter how much you try to see outside of it).

I’m Not A ‘Boss’

(I’m not Michael Scott either, but do have the same birthday as Steve Carell… anyway)

You need to know who you are. These last 18 months have shown me.

I’m not a boss.

I’m not a buttoned-up agency guy.

I’ll never be successful playing by the expected rules.

But I DO know … I best deliver value 1:1, with a personal approach, speaking and showing vs putting it all down on paper. And I can be super successful (and help others do so) by focusing 1,000% on my stregnths.

I’m a people person. I occasionally need a break, but people give me energy and a feeling of purpose and value.

(More below on how this translates into my services.)

Are You Aligned With Who You Really Are?

This has been a huge a realization of mine, not a negative on the employee – not only was I never comfortable with agency style “deliverables” and “deadlines” but throw an employee in there and I was super clueless uncomfortable.

(I could tell the story of why we decided to hire an employee, to begin with … but it doesn’t matter too much right now.)

What matters now, it what’s coming next – so let’s dig up out of this low back to what I’m excited about.

Reboot – A New Chapter – An Identity

That was a month ago. And no, I’m NOT quitting SEO.

But I am completely rebooting and clarifying *what* exactly it is I do.

I am a consultant/teacher hybrid. 

Kind of like a Puggle, but for SEO.

Via Dogtime

I can DO the SEO work, but I’m best delivering it by showing you and teaching you.

And further … Evolving SEO is not an ‘agency’.

We started going in that direction, but it’s really not for me.

You Need To Find The Commonalities In Your ‘Wins’

Here’s the lesson for you.

Remember all of those successful SEO Wins from above? Well … what was it exactly that made those situations successful and others not?

You see people often miscategorize things or use the wrong categorization entirely when analyzing success and failure.

It wasn’t industry (they are all super different).

It wasn’t business size (all different).

It wasn’t the particular SEO activities (different).

It was the structure of how the work was delivered.

  • Regular, pre-determined phone calls were scheduled.
  • *Some* written work, but in smaller bite sized pieces.
  • My recommendations were largely delivered verbally, and with screen-share or recorded video, and the ‘deliverable’ is the supplement.
  • The client not only relied on me for “work” but providing education, training etc.
  • They like my sometimes quirky, unorthodox way of working – and ‘met me in the middle’ working more as a collaborative partner.
  • There was ONE point of contact I work directly with.

What about those failure situations? Literally, they all had one or more of the following:

  • Agency-like work expectations (ahem – link building.)
  • No pre-planned check-in calls … no teaching/training component.
  • Work was to be delivered in writing, in big docs
  • Link building. Did I mention link building?
  • Little to no focus on me as an educator as much as the doer.

In other words – when I was perceived and expected to act like an agency it failed. When I am perceived as your personal, one on one consultant (teacher, trainer, strategist hybrid – whatever word you want to use) – it works. It works really well.

When do YOU most win, feel good and achieve success?

The glue tying it together may not be so obvious. If you’re stuck like I was, I suggest questioning how you’re categorizing things.

What Does This All Mean?

It means … I have a lot of updates to make to my website now ✔️

In the future weeks and months, I’ll be doing some experimenting with how to deliver SEO consulting, and will be rolling out some new services options.

But I wanted to use this post to communicate a little about what I can offer and where I can add SEO value.

On Demand SEO Consulting

This is where I’ll be experimenting a little.

This is the new core service I am offering!

Learn more here about getting an SEO Jumpstart!

I’ve been testing this out in the last month and it’s gone very well.

I spend the day working on what you need and deliver it via live screen share (you can record it if you want).

It’s perfect if you have some exact SEO needs and want an expert to pour a day of time, dedication, attention (coupled with 10+ years of SEO experience and industry relationships).

Here are a few real ways I have provided this service:

  • Someone needed a handful of topics for a company blog based on advanced keyword research and topic targeting.
  • Someone needed the URL/page/hierarchy structure of a new website laid out.
  • Someone needed a “lightweight” audit for a rapid start to the biggest issues, without breaking the bank.
  • An in-house SEO needed some outside help for an internal project.
  • Or kind of like what I provided to Noah Kagan (video link) on my Podcast
  • …the list could go on.

Soon, I hope to have a ‘one-click’ buy option on this site to easily order your ‘day’ with me.

I want to clarify I DO deliver documents (keyword sheets, audit checklists, etc) but the primary mode of delivery is live via screen share with a heavy teaching and training component.

(HUGE thanks to Marie Haynes, who helped chat through this idea with me)

Hourly Consulting

I quite simply love and enjoy hopping on a call and tackling SEO questions, problems, and challenges.

I share my screen. I give you notes, links, and resources. And I can answer questions very clearly and quickly.

You can see my reviews here: https://clarity.fm/danshure

Projects & Ongoing Work

I will STILL be providing longer projects and long-term SEO consulting (aka “put a ring on it”).

But the difference is – work is broken into bite size pieces and a phone call/screen share delivery. Regular communication and using me as a teacher as much as “the guy that does SEO” is where we’re both going to be most successful.

SEO IS an “ongoing” activity when it’s expected to be a growth channel, so if that’s what you are looking for, you need to be employing SEO consistently.

NOTE: This service is limited to people who have done the 1-day Jumpstart, worked with me before, or come from a highly trusted referral source.

The Podcast!

Yes … the Podcast. I’ll have some news to share about this soon, but the Podcast is a channel that I only foresee growing into a more meaningful element of my service-mix.

Speaking / Seminars / ??

Remember when I talked about “being in the car but not driving”?

Well, I have always talked about wanting to speak more, give seminars … basically, provide value in front of a group of people.

This is something I believe I can do, and do well. I’m working on these skills constantly with the Podcast and hopefully more videos content (like I had started to do earlier this year).

This is the year I get more pro-active about that (or – call me – I’m 45 mins from Boston and 3 hours from NY, wink, wink).

And my shift towards a consultant/teacher approach could lead in many more directions (for example I recently taught an 8-session LIVE course for Conversion XL).

Wrap Up

This is all early in transition, so I clearly need to update a lot on my website.

BUT I wanted to get the wheels in motion. I wanted to update YOU as to what’s going on here at ‘Evolving’, put ‘out there’ what it is I’m up to – and take back control of the steering wheel a bit.

I’m excited for this next step in realizing how I best deliver value to the world.

I have a LOT of case studies, testimonials, and work examples to share.

But in the meantime, feel free to say hello below or email me: dan at evolvingseo dot com (Need some of my personal, hybrid consultant/teacher style of SEO guidance? I DO have some spots open right away for hourly consulting and on-demand consulting/training).

About Dan Shure

Hi! I'm Dan Shure. I write all of the posts and host all of the podcast episodes you'll find on the Evolving SEO blog. Say hello on Twitter @dan_shure!


  • May 4, 2017 Reply

    Joe R

    Dan – this post was amazing – and I’ve felt the same exact way many, many times, especially delivering projects in the 11th hour (like you said it always gets done). I think the open-ended nature of retainers means that stuff gets pushed off to the next week constantly.

    Love your daily consulting idea, hope it works well!

    • May 4, 2017 Reply

      Dan Shure

      Thanks, Joe! Awesome to hear I’m not alone there 🙂 Curious how you’ve worked around that?

  • May 4, 2017 Reply

    Jason Thibault

    Thanks for sharing your journey Dan.

    I feel you on preferring to work solo. And leaving behind the arts (for money). In my case losing lots of money in the comics biz.

    I didn’t realize you were such an accomplished photographer. I also lean towards bnw – harkening back to my pen and ink days. Do I sense a theme on your IG? 🙂

    Best of luck on the 2017 reorientation. I think I’ve listened to every podcast episode. It’s something I look forward to each week.

    • May 4, 2017 Reply

      Dan Shure

      Hey Jason! Comics, cool! In honesty, the money is nice, but I truly left performing to establish a better married life 🙂

      Thanks on the photos! Yes, I’m colorblind so at a certain point I just ditched most color, I have no idea when it looks good.

      Super cool to hear you listen to the show! Happy to hear it’s been something you look forward to.

  • May 4, 2017 Reply


    Hey Dan,

    That is an interesting struggle that I feel very acutely (and I’m sure other micro-business owners do as well).

    Just out of curiosity, from your point of view, what was the struggle for you re: delivering services and teaching as you like to do, all while trying to scale?

    You mentioned having your deliveries transition into more formal “agency reports”, and expectations have changed to want more agency-style services (e.g. link building), but what was the pressure to change these when you added another person to the mix?

    Love to hear your thoughts on it 🙂



    • May 4, 2017 Reply

      Dan Shure

      Hi Kyle!

      I think the struggle was I’m a one on one person at heart, without really a natural strength when it comes to processes. I don’t think there was any pressure per se, other than it’s what I thought you were “supposed: to do to move to the next step. Even a few years ago, I wasn’t fully confident in my teaching/consulting abilities as being valid, but looking back now – I see win after win with this approach. I think it was just not being open minded to other approaches (if I understood your question correctly!)

  • May 4, 2017 Reply


    Hey Dan,

    That makes complete sense. Do you feel that scaling the “one-on-one” approach that’s driven success was not possible (perhaps given the way you personally like to operate)?

    With my business (and in my perspective), this is one of the most difficult things to do with team members that are employees of yourself: motivation, dedication to the “process that works” while still allowing the people to grow and explore and succeed in their own ways, etc.

    E.g. how can you scale the work you’re good at, with others working underneath you?

    Wasn’t sure if there was a “silver bullet” or “ah-ha” moment with how you can to realize everything you mentioned in the post.

    All around, love your thoughts and transparency with putting them out, love the podcast, and enjoy our exchanges in das Twitterverse.



    • May 4, 2017 Reply

      Dan Shure

      Kyle – Perhaps yes I just thought it wasn’t possible to scale ‘myself’ – because that’s what we’re always told right? If you want to scale, hire.

      Lol… I think it was an 18-month “ah ha” moment 🙂 A long and slow realization!

      Likewise, thanks for tuning into Experts!

      • May 4, 2017 Reply


        That is what we’re told, yes. Or, we can just increase our rates (demand supply, amirite?) ;D

  • May 4, 2017 Reply


    Wow. Right up until the last few paragraphs (where things got good again) this felt extremely familiar. Musician turned SEO? Check (guitar was my weapon of choice). Last second deliverables? Oh yeah. Employing people … and then … not? Yep. Realizing I’d rather live as some sort on internet swashbuckler then wear khakis in an office? Oh yes.

    My attempt at a solution is trying to scale by offering a tool to pair with the consulting. Try to mix the secret sauce with a little robot love (trademark! – not really). Only so many hours in a day / days in a week etc after all, I feel that some level of automation with tech is imperative.

    I’ll let you know how it goes!

    Thanks for the epic share.

    • May 4, 2017 Reply

      Dan Shure

      Awesome – how are you developing the tool? Do you have dev chops? This is something I’ve always thought would be a fun direction, but don’t have those skills myself.

  • May 4, 2017 Reply


    Dude I can’t tell you how much of this I relate to. The long hours, the procrastination, the disappointment of potentially leaving some of those music dreams on the table. I’m sure this wasn’t easy to write and publish – props to you for the insightful self-reflection!

    • May 4, 2017 Reply

      Dan Shure

      Thanks, man appreciate that. Weirdly writing it – I don’t want to call it easy – but was nothing compared to telling people I cared about I was letting them down. That was the hardest part by FAR!

  • May 5, 2017 Reply

    Gill Andrews

    I hate the content people share online these days. Useless. Boring. Stale. As if artificial intelligence has already taken over everyone’s blog.

    That’s why when I see a human behind the characters on the screen I drop everything and read. And I read this from the beginning to the end.

    I, of course, barely know you, Dan, but from what I’ve seen on Twitter I would have never in million years guessed stuff like this has been going on. You seemed like one of those young sharp successful guys growing their businesses with every minute.

    So this is a great reminder that we actually have no idea what’s going on in other people’s lives, even if we think we do, and everybody’s fighting their own battle.

    Thank you for being so open about this (and I love how you just through in the $1500 :)) Happy to hear that you are on your way to figuring out how to improve things and keeping my fingers crossed for you that it all works out the way you imagine.

    • May 5, 2017 Reply

      Dan Shure

      Hi Gill!

      Wow thanks for the comment! Yes, there’s always a lot more “behind the curtain” (with everyone I find)! People I NEVER would have pinned as “procrastinators” have since messaged me saying they can relate. Crazy.

      For me personally, I’ve found I feel best being positive and super mindful of my “audience” on Twitter and I generally try to inform, share, educate or at least entertain there – especially when there can be a lot of negatives on social media. I find it works for me, to flip out every few years and blog about the challenges 🙂 These issues can be so in-depth and nuanced, it sometimes take 1,000’s of words (and some poor pen sketches).

      (One past flip out was this: https://www.evolvingseo.com/2012/04/13/the-wall/)

  • May 5, 2017 Reply

    Dr. Pete

    Thanks for sharing your story, Dan. I think it’s more familiar to many of us than you realize. One thing I’ve learned over the years — You see yourself in the mirror first thing in the morning, with all of your flaws. You only see everyone else after they’ve showered, shaved, and had a cup of coffee. It’s not a fair comparison.

    Hope you find a direction that works for you, and if you need any help, don’t hesitate to ask. I’m going the opposite direction — after years of SEO, I’m learning piano 🙂 You’ll probably fare better than me.

    • May 5, 2017 Reply

      Dan Shure

      Hey, Pete! Thanks for reading 🙂

      So true – it’s crazy how many people have messaged talking about their flaws/struggles/stories. Right back at you man, if you ever need help with piano 🙂

      Really appreciate the comment!

  • May 7, 2017 Reply


    Great post Dan, Thanks a lot for sharing your ups and downs with us. We humans after all and all have our flaws but what separate some of us is being real and acknowledging the shortcomings.

    • May 7, 2017 Reply

      Dan Shure

      Agree! Thanks Brad 🙂

  • May 17, 2017 Reply

    Jhasketan Garud

    Hi Dan,
    This was one of the best articles I have read in a very very long time.
    It was both inspiring and enlightening at the same time.
    Discovering who are you is perhaps the most important part. But, unfortunately, one has to go through a lot of pins to discover oneself. As for me: I am still wondering who am I.
    Thanks a lot.

    • May 17, 2017 Reply

      Dan Shure

      Hey Jhasketan – thanks for the comment! I hope you find yourself also! From my experience, it’s an ongoing process that’s never ‘finished’ and takes action to get the feedback you need to know “this is me” or “this is not me”. Good luck man!

  • May 18, 2017 Reply


    I’ve only recently started my voyage into the SEO waters. I myself am a photographer, turned game designer, turned SEO, it is really encouraging reading these real life stories from people who have tried, failed, tried again, and so on. It is really inspiring to see that you have found exactly what you enjoyed in, and focused on it. I wish you all the success!

    Also, love your photograph, am I mistaken or is taken with film? I’m a huge fan of film photography, I don’t even own a digital camera, but have around 15 analog ones 😀

    Thank you for the encouraging article!

    • May 18, 2017 Reply

      Dan Shure

      Hi Nevena!

      The photos are taken with a Fujifilm X-E2, so a mirrorless rangefinder, but digital. I export them straight to my phone with the WiFi feature and 100% of the editing is with Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/danshure/). I definitely try to get that older analog feel 🙂 So cool you noticed!

      Good luck as you get started with SEO as well!

  • June 2, 2017 Reply

    Austin Bay

    This post made my week Dan. I had a non-profit to SEO transition and got my chops in consulting before moving in-house. Right now I work full-time in house, but have clients on the side that I’ll be transitioning to work full-time sometime soon.

    I’ve had this debate over working with a team or keeping solo — and I have to say I love the idea of the latter. It’s one thing about working in-house that’s really tough — finding time to actually do SEO and not just coordinate all the work that needs to get done. I’m more of a quirky, 1:1 kind of person and it makes me happy to hear I’m not alone.

    And the podcast, still my favorite around.

    • June 2, 2017 Reply

      Dan Shure

      Thanks a ton Austin for the comment! Appreciate you being a dedicated podcast listener too 🙂

      I never did work in-house, but I can only imagine how much coordinating there is!

  • June 3, 2017 Reply

    Vincent Tobiaz


    Been here a long time and following on and off over the months as you know. This post hit some notes on the dot with me. One major thing you said was “It was the structure of how the work was delivered.” – and I agree.

    Without spilling a blog post in a comment, it took many attempts at failure. I first started with SEO and WordPress in 2006 or 2007, for 5 years or so, then going into corporate, then medium and small agencies before stepping back out on my own again. I used that knowledge to get over that “employee/employeeless/wtf kind of business is my self employ’ness/tons of part-timers around me remotely and locally/type deal”. In between were countless triumphs and failures.

    After buying a home I quit the first day my mortgage would allow me to, 30 days after close. Now after relaunching my freelance day job into a business, an agency, I’ve had virtually near-0 client turnover, 0 employee/worker, am up to 7 people, 6 part-time and 1 full-time and am developing the 6 part-timers into full time and am almost there. I look up to agencies and distributed teams such as Modern Tribe, Upbuild and others to get a sense of the model, but do and manage it in my own way.

    The structure has been the key to it. How I manage/run it from a business standpoint, the tools used and how they are used, and how to run a distributed team. – How it’s delivered.

    11 months into my relaunch now, doing twice as much in revenue, expenses have stayed at a steady positive %, thus my income has done the same too. Now I work half the hours, as well, instead of slaving at the 11th hour or for a small agency 60-80 hours a week.

    In the end, I think you’re making a right choice, by doing “you” and what you can do best, and the business and life model that makes the most sense for your lifestyle I think is the best way to put it.

    Interesting story (yours). Would enjoy to talk or grab coffee next time I’m in Wuhh-ster. Just to talk, not to learn, and share experiences. Hopefully not have to pay $300/hr 😉 And maybe make a pod out of it or something, I think it’d be super interesting.

    Take Care,


    • June 6, 2017 Reply

      Dan Shure

      Hey Vinnie – for sure definitely hit me up next time your in Worcester 🙂

      So glad to hear your story too, and that revenue is up and hours are down!

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